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1. devillj
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   The above mentioned address now points to the pewifi site. please ask your web admins to add it as a website alias.....

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2. hilton
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   Hi devillj

   Thanks for sorting that out for us.

   Hilton

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3. oceanmaster
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   Hi Hilton/devillj

   The pewug.za.net is not forwarding to pewifi.co.za. Can the person in charge fix it?

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4. devillj
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   yea - i changed it - again.

   Xarion is busy creating a wug wiki on his server ( the one that currently runs wug.za.net ) for all the wugs to use.

   pewug.za.net is going to point there so that we can use the wiki for the "ssid" names as doing it without a wiki is going to be a major admin headache.

   That server will also allow the wiki pages and hence pewug.za.net to be visible inside the wug network, without needing an internet connection to get to it.

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5. hilton
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   Can we not add a sub-domain rather like wiki.pewug.za.net? As we would loose potential traffic to our main site.

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6. Mr. Jingles
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   Zenon and I created a full site with a wiki/forum/gallery etc ready on my server...all we need is for pewug.za.net to point to the server...

   have a look through the wug at http://172.21.3.130/

   We will route it in such a way that people connected to the wug without internet can browse through the wug and it will be available on the internet as well.

   We will speak to Xarion to point it our way or just do a domain transfer...

   I don't think its a good idea to have 1 guy in JHB be in charge of the PEWUG site...

   Especially coz we can do it locally.

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7. Mr. Jingles
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   I am also running a mail server so everybody on the wug can get a yourname@pewug.za.net email address.

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8. oceanmaster
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   hehe, well the fact that we can edit it wiki-style and add our own content (photies/articles etc) AND that it is local is awesome...

   You running it of that mini pc?

   Also, you gonna hook it up to that mean 4.5kva ups? hehe gonna be up 3 weeks if there's a power failure!!! lol

   Might as well look into running a windows update and ubuntu update server.. on the same pc. might betta to use Server 2003 or something for that.

   Anyways, congrats! Gonna come see your setup soon.

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9. Mr. Jingles
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   Yeah i am really considering server 2003 or ubuntu server edition...i am going towards ubuntu though...

   The Site , Wiki , Gallery , Forum , Mail server and HUB are all active and ready for use...

   I will be assigning Moderator/admin rights to a few guys to help me fill it with content quicker...

   I will be hooking up the 4.5Kva UPS as well :)

   The windows/ubuntu update server is a good idea.

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10. oceanmaster
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    Can you get hold of Xarion on IRC and ask him about the domain?

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11. hilton
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    Was this step discussed with anyone?

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12. oceanmaster
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    Actually it's been a race between bbj and me to get this going. I had mentioned I was looking at setting up a wiki-style website where everyone can make a contribution when he told me he was already in the process and wanted to do something similar..

    I think the idea is to have a more all-round complete and accurately representative website for the PEWUG as yours is a forum & controlled by you.

    The most important thing is that we all have a say in the way it looks. I for example would like to create an offline wikipedia / encyclopedia type setup and take care of that part.

    Either way yes, Dewald, Mat, bbj, Grant, me, and RedArrow, have discussed the possibility of setting up something like this, and I think it was back when we couldn't get hold of you for a week or two.

    If you are referring to getting hold of Xarion and asking him to allow us host pewug.za.net... we have been asking him to setup forwarding requests for pewug.za.net to pewifi for some time now..

    Considering pewifi.co.za is a forum and is hosted off the local WUG compared to this site which can more appropriately allow everyone to have a part in building it and is hosted on a local server needs it only makes sense we consider that site as the next step.

    (If you have plans for a locally hosted site i.e. on the wug - with functionality that will allow all of us access to take part in it's growth on a day to day basis, then just tell us and we can compare it to what Dewald and bbj have or are busy making, to decide which one addresses our needs the best).

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13. hilton
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    OK Ocean if this was discussed in my absence please post what the requirements are that you and all the other users decided on. I will happily create the site accordingly.

    H

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14. devillj
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    ok - everyone calm down. i own pewug.za.net. I can point it anywhere u like, as long as the webserver in question knows about it ( there is config required ).

    Now until Xarion comes back im not changing anything. I wanna know what his plans for the nationwide wug site is first. If its going up next week, in staying there. It its only gonna be up in a few weeks, i'll entertain hosting it elsewhere until such time as the wugnet site is up and running. All i need for hosting for now is mediawiki.

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15. oceanmaster
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    devillj, there is no animosity here, thanks for the understanding Hilton, but right there lies the problem "I will" you say...

    It's about the fact that because the WUG is community based some guys not only want to be involved in the wireless side of things or deciding what the site should look like and what it should offer, but actually doing it together.

    It's not an attack on you or pewifi in any way. For communication this site is adequetly doing it's job!

    I can only guess the amount of effort, time and money you have put in and everybody acknowledges and thanks you for that (afterall you are the one that managed to get the ball finally rolling here in PE!).

    On an almost daily bases many of us have free time and could be adding content to a site. In this way together we can achieve more then one person, even if you did a perfect job of it.

    In conclusion Dewald makes some of the most elaborate websites I have seen, it's his job and he sells some of them for many thousands of Rands... so who better to help with setting up the foundation of the site?

    devillj, speaking to most of the guys on the wug on a daily bases there is one fact that is evident; When for whatever reason the vpn to the other wugs goes down the guys still want access to our pewifi, or pewug.za.net or pewug.co.za or whatever it's called, so we should definately take into consideration hosting it locally on one of our servers.

    At the moment you have a sizeable ups and Dewald has a monster ups. (It's run by 20 35Amp/hour deep cycle batteries connected in series and inverted 240dc -> 220v ac and gives about a 7000w backup or about 7 hours at 1Kw.

    As the batteries are about a year old we are getting about 80% of that capacity in real terms.

    I agree we should find out from Xarion what his plans are.

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16. devillj
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    its up - register and add some content - or tell me what you want added.

    www.pewug.za.net/wiki

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17. Mr. Jingles
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    I find it strange that there are few guys that want to keep control of everything , isn't this a community based project???

    I have offered all my services/servers/4.5KVa Telecomms UPS(not some cheap ass thing...) and more ...yet there are those few guys still wanting to fight for control.

    Alternatively I will register something new that nobody owns and that way all the bitching can stop....

    WHY must we use Xarion???......isn't the idea that the local people create/build/expand/contribute to the network...

    Why do we have to see what Xarion's plan is for the PEWUG...or any WUG in SA for that matter....he doesn't own it....does he??

    Everything was done and in place...yet you guys still want to make other plans and wait on other guys when the system was finished and working in 1 day.....4 weeks ago...

    I say this is a democracy ....majority rules....lets vote...that's fair on everybody.

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18. fraser
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    I don't think it is so much everyone trying to take control. maybe making things a std across the wug's of SA will make any future endevours easier, thats all. I'm sure the powers that be appreciate the fact you have offered up you personal equipment to assist in the running of the PE Wug. But as far I see it we should get the towers talking. this project is still young. lets take it one step at a time to make it work.

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19. hilton
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    Hey Dewald. Please explain how people are controling things?

    There is a tried and proven method of developing and expaning the WUG, we are just conforming. If you have better ideas then please let us here them...

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20. Brucolac
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    Hey Dewald, can we see the site please? How do you intend to host it so that its available on the WUG and the internet (the idea interests me)?

    The reason I think we should see it, is because it would make it easy to decide whether is worth the change or not.

    I think the reason we keep Xarion in the loop is 2 fold, firstly he has years of experience and secondly the jawug guys have much infrastructure already in place that they are willing to share with us. I see no point in reinventing the wheel, though our own site with a unique feel would be nice.

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21. Mr. Jingles
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    Hey Matt.

    You wanna see it....damn its been up for a month now...hell yeah you can see it....

    AND REMEMBER...this is a open system , if you guys don't like it ...we change it until everybody likes it...screw conformity ....we do it our own way...

    The way i see it , this is not one persons decision.

    You say Xarion has years of experience...experience in what...coz i am sure that all the people on the WUG combined will out power Xarions abilities in the blink of an eye.

    I think a few guys on the WUG has gotten the idea of "ownership" or lone rights to the decision making , where the whole idea of the WUG from what i understand is that its open to anybody that is willing to contribute.

    The WUG/Internet availability is purely routing and a few settings on my server.

    "reinventing the wheel" - certainly not ,have you ever considered the fact that there are thousands of different open source PHP systems available for free that does things a million times better than Xarion or the JAWUG could ever do...on the fact that JAWUG has tons of experience...sure they do...so do we....Zenon and i have tons and tons of wireless experience...possibly more than any other WUG member.And together if everybody shared their abilities (like you with your GPS map/Scan software) that we would blow Xarion out the water...
    Consider this....lets say that Xarion or the JAWUG is not perfect and that they made mistakes on their network from day one purely coz they didn't know any better....Don't you think that their mistakes on their system will be carried over to all the other WUGS in SA purely because everybody does it their way based on their success/history....

    For instance - why does each person on the WUG get a /28 IP block on the wireless interface....surely one person wont need 16 available IP's to use ...or is one person going to connect multiple boards.....in that case a routing problem would occur coz they both belong to the same network...

    These are the kind of things nobody seems to be thinking about...

    I posted a month ago saying that the site/gallery/WIKI/Forum is up and running on my IP
    http://172.21.3.130/ on the wug.

    This is a open system guys .....we shouldn't have one person to control it all.

    We should all share/learn.

    There are a lot of guys on the wug that wants to learn....how will everybody learn if someone in JHB controls it all??

    I can have a FTP for each user on the server so that they can practice their own stuff on there and develop more skills and share their newly developed skills/knowledge.

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22. Brucolac
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    Hey Dewald, unfortunately we can't access you yet. You're on the lonely tower, guess we'll have to wait a bit longer. Unless you have the internet side of things setup already.

    Your other points are definitely valid, i think u need to idle in the irc channel a bit more, then you could make valuable input. It is impossible to contribute, or reach consensus if you are cut off from everyone else.

    Later, looking forward to checking out your mad web skillz :)

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23. devillj
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    sure - once we can all access your site, im sure well find somehting to stick on there.

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24. hilton
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    OK, Dewald, please let us have your ideas for improving on what Xarion and the "owners" of the network have developed. Please make sure its a comprehensive explanation...

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25. Xarion
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    wow I don't even post in here and I get attacked. I am not the owner of jawug, we do not have owners. Jawug is a community and is developed by the community. I am one of the core members that implement and manage the strategies on the network as well as the webmaster for the wug.za.net domain. No one said you had to use our methods. You are welcome to use your own, that is up to your network to choose. Wug.za.net is a central point which will redirect to person to the relevant WUG. That wug can either use the wiki/forum/plotter on the site or do they down thing. No one is forcing you to do anything. The site is maintained and if there are problems they get sorted out by the developers. The pewug guys were probably waiting for us as we were combining the logins for wiki, forum and plotter into one login. Where on earth did you get the idea that _I_ want to control everything? Seriously, if you have a problem just speak to the person.

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26. Mr. Jingles
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    Hey Xarion ,

    I Never attacked you...i attacked the guys on the PEWUG that is making you their GOD.

    I am trying to fight to get our system open for everyone to use and develop /maintain...

    But everybody in PE seems to be fighting for the opposite....and they want you to control it and host it etc etc...

    Why.??...if we can do it locally...

    Sure , you must have some skills....but surely you have just as many flaws...everybody does...

    I also want :"a community network that is developed by the community"

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27. devillj
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    Has everybody had time to take a breather yet ?
    Mr Jingles, youve been live on the wug for 2 weeks and no-one seems to be able to contact you to tell you this.

    Please put your website up so that we may peruse it.

    PS - how hot are your PHP skills?

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